Phi relationships in the human body

topic posted Tue, April 22, 2008 - 10:24 AM by  Nick
Hi,

I have recently been measuring the various parts of my body whose sizes are said to be proportioned by the Phi constant and have found that none of the measurements I have made are particularly close to phi...

Two such examples are:

a) The length of each bone in each finger is said to be a phi proportion of the next bone in that finger.
b) The length of the forearm is said to be a phi proportion of the whole arm.

I have many other examples but these are the two that I have found easiest to measure...

The fingers were kind of close to phi and I can say that since there is variation across the species it is likely that the average of all people may well be 1.618..

But the forearm to arm relationship is way out... I am closer to 1:1 in fact...

Can anyone shed any light on this? A link to a detailed study into the relationships of global constants to the dimensions of the human body would be fantastic.

thanks a lot,
Nick
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Nick
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  • Re: Phi relationships in the human body

    Tue, April 22, 2008 - 11:26 AM
    well I'm not an expert but I believe you just make this vitruvian stuff up as you go along as it's a dynamic system so if you keep looking you'll find some examples that will be close enough to the dimensions you want and then if a caterpillar passes you a smoke of some good stuff then you'll say wow and bob's your uncle you're in a world of crystalline supernova energy lines and then very loud repetitive music starts up and scantily clad young ladies appear and a sickly smell of barbecued chicken and beer etc... hahaha

    I have a theory that the curvature of my toenail clippings are directly proportional to the moon's orbit of mount ararat...

    and to develop that theory I need to win an all expenses paid trip to amsterdam somehow...

    www.straightdope.com/columns/040618.html
    • Re: Phi relationships in the human body

      Sat, May 24, 2008 - 9:43 PM
      Roger, the article you linked states, "There's this number known as phi. Yeah, although the term wasn't invented till the early 1900s, by American mathematician Mark Barr."

      A profound example of Modern arrogance.

      The phi relationship is found in forms and music (sound) as harmonic relationships and thousands of ancient temples and megaliths across the entire globe.

      Relationships are challenging to see which our empirical bias does not easily tolerate.

      The Gothic churches for example are sonic chambers designed in relation to sonic relationships.

      The oldest example I know are Tibetan bells and Chinese gongs. These tones have been found to match what the Monroe institute discovered and called hemi-sync (binaural beats). One set I saw matched precisely to multiple decimal places the tone of the Milky Way galaxy as recorded by NASA and the bells were about 5,000 years old.

      The question is when did human cultures forget about phi?

      My guess was between the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. It seems too that the Christian religion contributed to the suppression of this knowledge. Dan Brown's gig was the Italian Renaissance era.
  • Re: Phi relationships in the human body

    Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:39 AM
    Aha... these clear things up:

    www.miqel.com/fractals_ma...-golden.html

    goldennumber.net/body.htm

    Comments?

    8)
    • Re: Phi relationships in the human body

      Wed, April 23, 2008 - 9:36 AM
      Great link Orpheus,especially the horned beast called an argali...
      Would love to add that skull to my collection for art related reference.

      Comments Nick ?
      Yes.
      I would direct everyones attention to the disclaimer at the end of Nick's first link in regards to the writers distrust of BOTH Dan Winter and Drunvalo. I agree 100% with this writers assessment. My description is that they both have become entranced by the sound of their own voice.
      "Seduced by the medium", as it were...
      I am currently exploring and researching vortexes,both as Art and Scince,work begun by my father and continuing with me. We both shared a fascination with the spiral and used the shape in our sculptures for years . I am particularly interested in fluid vortexes and have been fascinated by one of Steiners pals called Viktor Schauberger,the "water wizard" . I believe implosion technology will be advanced significantly very soon. I am in a loose collaboration with Flowform USA in using basic premises of Shauberger's researches of water vortexes for remedial water treatment. Can anyone shed light on why a COUNTER CLOCKWISE spin would give better results for this process ? I have a strong intuition that there is a corollary that is important for a vast number of mechanical devices from wind turbines to electric motors that some dynamic advantage is gained by counter closkwise rotational movement though I cannot explain why...
      • Re: Phi relationships in the human body

        Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:31 AM
        Hi Stephen,

        I find his comment about trust rather bizarre.. Surely we can assess these people's messages from the perspective of usefulness rather than personality traits.

        As far as the CCW thing is concerned, the only place I have heard that mentioned is in the blog thread that you also commented on recently, which ultimately came from Dan Brown.. I've never studied his stuff myself. Have you found exactly what he is saying? Best to remain open to ideas I find.

        peace,
        nick
      • Re: Phi relationships in the human body

        Sun, June 8, 2008 - 11:33 PM
        Stephen, crystals placed North of the equator spin clockwise and are used for healing.

        In the North these operate as capacitors.

        South of the equator the same crystals spin counter-clockwise are used for meditation and psychic growth.

        I am generally referring to quartz crystals.

        This does not mean that the benefits cannot be achieved in the opposite hemispheres though one is working against natural forces to do so and the natural crystals won't be a suitable source. The crystal skulls demonstrate a crystalline technology the forms a network and operates independent of the natural magnetism of the Earth. Some constructed artifacts are actually good for the Earth!

        Spin essentially means vortex and describes anything that flows.

        Regarding motors, look up the work of M. Rodin the mathematician. His work is the next great math standard comparable to the pythagorean theorem with emphasis on the numbers 3, 6 and 9. These are a vector force amidst the eternal standing wave shaped like and produced by a torus and comprised by the other 6 numbers. His motor follows his math theorem and outputs 1.6 to 2.0x the input based on the geometry alone. He has a series of YouTube videos describing is work.
        • Re: Phi relationships in the human body

          Mon, June 9, 2008 - 9:43 AM
          Thank you J'uha,
          I will check out Rodin's work.
          You anticipate a thematic element I've been drawn to for some time as a model for sculpture,the torus.
          I find great beauty in it's symmetry.
          I hope to produce something utilizing the endless spiraling rings before the year is out...