Hi,
I have recently been measuring the various parts of my body whose sizes are said to be proportioned by the Phi constant and have found that none of the measurements I have made are particularly close to phi...
Two such examples are:
a) The length of each bone in each finger is said to be a phi proportion of the next bone in that finger.
b) The length of the forearm is said to be a phi proportion of the whole arm.
I have many other examples but these are the two that I have found easiest to measure...
The fingers were kind of close to phi and I can say that since there is variation across the species it is likely that the average of all people may well be 1.618..
But the forearm to arm relationship is way out... I am closer to 1:1 in fact...
Can anyone shed any light on this? A link to a detailed study into the relationships of global constants to the dimensions of the human body would be fantastic.
thanks a lot,
Nick
I have recently been measuring the various parts of my body whose sizes are said to be proportioned by the Phi constant and have found that none of the measurements I have made are particularly close to phi...
Two such examples are:
a) The length of each bone in each finger is said to be a phi proportion of the next bone in that finger.
b) The length of the forearm is said to be a phi proportion of the whole arm.
I have many other examples but these are the two that I have found easiest to measure...
The fingers were kind of close to phi and I can say that since there is variation across the species it is likely that the average of all people may well be 1.618..
But the forearm to arm relationship is way out... I am closer to 1:1 in fact...
Can anyone shed any light on this? A link to a detailed study into the relationships of global constants to the dimensions of the human body would be fantastic.
thanks a lot,
Nick
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 11:26 AMwell I'm not an expert but I believe you just make this vitruvian stuff up as you go along as it's a dynamic system so if you keep looking you'll find some examples that will be close enough to the dimensions you want and then if a caterpillar passes you a smoke of some good stuff then you'll say wow and bob's your uncle you're in a world of crystalline supernova energy lines and then very loud repetitive music starts up and scantily clad young ladies appear and a sickly smell of barbecued chicken and beer etc... hahaha
I have a theory that the curvature of my toenail clippings are directly proportional to the moon's orbit of mount ararat...
and to develop that theory I need to win an all expenses paid trip to amsterdam somehow...
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 11:38 AMlol, thanks orpheus.
I have always enjoyed this diagram from Lawlor's 'Sacred Geometry':
people.tribe.net/neekos/ph...6fa4894c41
I will go back and read it all again.
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 11:44 AMso it seems the human form is actually based on the barcode... -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 12:40 PMhaha stop it you're killin me :o)
no! don't stop! heh
variety is the spice of life dear Nick, but I will look forward to reading your thesis:
"A Link to a Detailed Study into the Relationships of Global Constants to the Dimensions of the Human Body Would be Fantastic"
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 12:50 PMhaha, I will be sure to post it here first!
I figured that the amount of people who reference these ideas would mean that someone somewhere has actually taken the time to provide something detailed, one way or the other. -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 7:02 PMNick,
that sketch is Albrecht Durer's and there are many known problems with his system and analysis.
Just look at that body. Does it look right to you ? No. It's elongated in many ways.
Allot has been advanced in the last 500 years.
Try "the Power of Limits" by Gyorgy Doczi.
On page 143 in the appendices is a diagram of a woman with many relevant scale comparisons,taking into consideration the great variety of human proportional variants that exist within the human species due to race,geographical location etc. -
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Tue, April 22, 2008 - 7:07 PMNice one Stephen, thanks a lot, I just ordered that book..
Yes, the proportion is not great in the image I posted which is partially why I've never spent any time examining it in detail... -
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Fri, May 16, 2008 - 2:55 PMThe heart is a turbine and not a pump.
Toroids produce energy in excess of 100%.
Blood flows through our veins in a spiral.
Phi is the governing spiral principal.
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Sat, May 24, 2008 - 9:43 PMRoger, the article you linked states, "There's this number known as phi. Yeah, although the term wasn't invented till the early 1900s, by American mathematician Mark Barr."
A profound example of Modern arrogance.
The phi relationship is found in forms and music (sound) as harmonic relationships and thousands of ancient temples and megaliths across the entire globe.
Relationships are challenging to see which our empirical bias does not easily tolerate.
The Gothic churches for example are sonic chambers designed in relation to sonic relationships.
The oldest example I know are Tibetan bells and Chinese gongs. These tones have been found to match what the Monroe institute discovered and called hemi-sync (binaural beats). One set I saw matched precisely to multiple decimal places the tone of the Milky Way galaxy as recorded by NASA and the bells were about 5,000 years old.
The question is when did human cultures forget about phi?
My guess was between the Renaissance and the Enlightenment. It seems too that the Christian religion contributed to the suppression of this knowledge. Dan Brown's gig was the Italian Renaissance era. -
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Sat, May 24, 2008 - 9:44 PMSorry, last one for Orpheus, not Roger.
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 8:39 AMAha... these clear things up:
www.miqel.com/fractals_ma...-golden.html
goldennumber.net/body.htm
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 9:36 AMGreat link Orpheus,especially the horned beast called an argali...
Would love to add that skull to my collection for art related reference.
Comments Nick ?
Yes.
I would direct everyones attention to the disclaimer at the end of Nick's first link in regards to the writers distrust of BOTH Dan Winter and Drunvalo. I agree 100% with this writers assessment. My description is that they both have become entranced by the sound of their own voice.
"Seduced by the medium", as it were...
I am currently exploring and researching vortexes,both as Art and Scince,work begun by my father and continuing with me. We both shared a fascination with the spiral and used the shape in our sculptures for years . I am particularly interested in fluid vortexes and have been fascinated by one of Steiners pals called Viktor Schauberger,the "water wizard" . I believe implosion technology will be advanced significantly very soon. I am in a loose collaboration with Flowform USA in using basic premises of Shauberger's researches of water vortexes for remedial water treatment. Can anyone shed light on why a COUNTER CLOCKWISE spin would give better results for this process ? I have a strong intuition that there is a corollary that is important for a vast number of mechanical devices from wind turbines to electric motors that some dynamic advantage is gained by counter closkwise rotational movement though I cannot explain why... -
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:02 AMsacred geometry jacuzzis would be kind cool... :) -
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 2:59 PMin school we studied phi...
we made sculptures based on the dims... we studied it so hard that I started having nightmares...
I couldn't sleep, and kept waking ...
first at 1am
then at 2am,
then 3... then 5am
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 9:13 PMYes Nick,
It's of course good to remain open ,
and also to distinguish between an individuals contributions without letting their personality defects undermine that value.
I think it's come up for me because I have spotted many "anomalies" and inconsistencies in the information provided by both these individuals, and suddenly here was someone else voicing those perceptions. I felt validated somehow. And some of the proselytizing that follows their public engagements borders on cult psychopathology.
After going through all the schooling and academic studies to get my first degree in parapsychology,the upshot was in effect to make me even more skeptical than I was before about all the New Age stuff.
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 9:16 PMI did get in touch with Patrick Garretson of Flow Form USA today and pose the question about CCW spin.
He thinks it's more a question of coriolis effect than anything else,and of course what hemisphere your in.
As I mentioned ,I have no evidence ,just a strong INTUITION that the CCW spin is somehow an advantage.
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 7:16 AMPaul Laffoly says it is the key to time travel.
Imagine a gyro with a ring of gyros on it....
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 7:27 AMWoah! my auto blueprint drawing system in my head tells me that building the container for that device in a way that would protect from the inner gyro escaping the outer gyro at high speed would be more of a challenge than making the device itself! lol...
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 7:34 AMwhich is why you have to think outside the box...
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 8:22 AMIndeed, thanks Orpheus. -
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 8:35 AMdonuts and spirals probably... hahaha -
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Thu, April 24, 2008 - 7:58 PMand bubbles... lot's o' bubbles... and Bobbles! -
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Fri, April 25, 2008 - 4:27 AMtwisted bubbles... -
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Sun, June 29, 2008 - 7:11 AMCCW spin is an implosive action that's inclusive instead of selective. Its following the universal path of least resistance which is why its velocities increase as it implodes as compared to a CW implosion which is very weak.
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 3:11 PMSoon you will be hibernating.
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Wed, April 23, 2008 - 10:31 AMHi Stephen,
I find his comment about trust rather bizarre.. Surely we can assess these people's messages from the perspective of usefulness rather than personality traits.
As far as the CCW thing is concerned, the only place I have heard that mentioned is in the blog thread that you also commented on recently, which ultimately came from Dan Brown.. I've never studied his stuff myself. Have you found exactly what he is saying? Best to remain open to ideas I find.
peace,
nick
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Sun, June 8, 2008 - 11:33 PMStephen, crystals placed North of the equator spin clockwise and are used for healing.
In the North these operate as capacitors.
South of the equator the same crystals spin counter-clockwise are used for meditation and psychic growth.
I am generally referring to quartz crystals.
This does not mean that the benefits cannot be achieved in the opposite hemispheres though one is working against natural forces to do so and the natural crystals won't be a suitable source. The crystal skulls demonstrate a crystalline technology the forms a network and operates independent of the natural magnetism of the Earth. Some constructed artifacts are actually good for the Earth!
Spin essentially means vortex and describes anything that flows.
Regarding motors, look up the work of M. Rodin the mathematician. His work is the next great math standard comparable to the pythagorean theorem with emphasis on the numbers 3, 6 and 9. These are a vector force amidst the eternal standing wave shaped like and produced by a torus and comprised by the other 6 numbers. His motor follows his math theorem and outputs 1.6 to 2.0x the input based on the geometry alone. He has a series of YouTube videos describing is work. -
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Mon, June 9, 2008 - 9:43 AMThank you J'uha,
I will check out Rodin's work.
You anticipate a thematic element I've been drawn to for some time as a model for sculpture,the torus.
I find great beauty in it's symmetry.
I hope to produce something utilizing the endless spiraling rings before the year is out...
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Yesterday, 4:51 AMnature is the kind of thing that doesn't have a one-track mind. many patterns exist so it's easy to see one everywhere once you're set on finding it. you just train your brain to recognize what you want to find, and there's usually no way to decidedly prove or disprove the pattern... -
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Yesterday, 4:52 AMwhat i mean is that you see what you want to see and ignore what you don't. -
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Yesterday, 9:16 AMDo people possess identifying individual frequencies ?
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Yesterday, 10:07 AMApparently so... You can use an electromyogram to measure your overall vibrational 'level'..
The specific content of your 'frequency' is represented by your entire 100% holistic state of being... Easier just to talk to people than measure that! lol
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Wed, May 14, 2008 - 3:09 PMThat system only applies to Geople from Earth!
Try a harmonic of phi and it will work.
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Sun, May 25, 2008 - 4:58 PMJust listen to a cats purr... its awsome.. and it has great healing properties for the mind.. this all comes to light now.
The earths core.. the vibrations.. our voices.. yup.. its all coming back to me. lol -
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Wed, June 25, 2008 - 1:53 PMCats purr at 90Hz.
There is a great story about a cat 'landing on is feet of course' after a three story fall. The owner was a scientist and noted that the cat was purring though semi-conscious. He measured the purr and got the frequency and then cross-referenced it and found it to be a well known healing tone.
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Wed, June 25, 2008 - 4:41 PMI read something about that too,
and was completely blown away.
But as I remembered it ,that frequency was a healing tone only for the cat,meaning we as humans have a different frequency that we respond to. Am I wrong in this ? -
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Sat, June 28, 2008 - 2:39 PMyou ARE the cat!
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Sun, June 29, 2008 - 5:52 AMbut the cat died anyway...
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